tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146340.post111568566831438865..comments2023-09-26T04:38:00.780-05:00Comments on Hank’s Eclectic Meanderings: The Unorganized Militiahank_F_Mhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09851295792702162861noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146340.post-1127693965602713352005-09-25T19:19:00.000-05:002005-09-25T19:19:00.000-05:00Original Haloscan comments,All very nice, but it s...Original Haloscan comments,<BR/><BR/><BR/>All very nice, but it skirts the central issue that the public has the right to own guns in case that the government is ever overthrown by anyone interested in abolishing the republic. In Europe, we now have European countries following in Hitler's policy of strict gun control, as a prelude to socialism then and now.<BR/><BR/>So we need to get rid of the socialists in theology as well as those against the death penalty and in favor of gun control. The country was founded as a Protestant refuge from Europe but now has been debased by the left. After Iraq, on to Hollywood!<BR/>Bob | 05.13.05 - 10:58 am | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> Bob<BR/><BR/>The right to “keep and bear arms” guaranteed by the second amendment is not dependent on membership in the militia. For example the militia consists (with a exceptions) of all able bodied males 17 to 45, but females still have the right to keep and bear arms.<BR/><BR/>Hank<BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 12:04 am | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> TM Lutas sent an Email messages with several well stated objections. He said he still checking my sources so I will not comment on them for now.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>He also sent a link about Secretary Rice’s comments on the Second Amendment. That link has expired. here is another link to that story. The key portion is in the next post. She points out the importance of the Second Amendment for the protection of her family and friends against the KKK. But her father and his friends were acting on the basic human right of self-defense not as members of a militia. This right exists in because one is a human being; it is not dependent on being part of militia. The second Amendment guarantees the ultimate means to defend the right to self defence.<BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 12:22 am | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> Secratary Rice's commnts.<BR/><BR/>Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, recalling how her father took up arms to defend fellow blacks from racist whites in the segregated South, said Wednesday the constitutional right of Americans to own guns is as important as their rights to free speech and religion. <BR/>In an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live," <BR/><BR/>Rice said she came to that view from personal experience. She said her father, a black minister, and his friends armed themselves to defend the black community in Birmingham, Ala., against the White Knight Riders in 1962 and 1963. She said if local authorities had had lists of registered weapons, she did not think her father and other blacks would have been able to defend themselves. <BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.14.05 - 12:23 am | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/>The debate seems to be over the meaning of the word "militia." I think that it just means free citizens with the ability to protect themselves against criminals, domestic enemies, and foreign enemies.<BR/><BR/>Here is what one founding father said:<BR/><BR/>George Mason, of Virginia:<BR/><BR/>"[W]hen the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually.". . . I ask, who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers." -- Virginia`s U.S. Constitution ratification convention, 1788<BR/>Bob | 05.14.05 - 3:05 pm | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/>Here is a fact sheet from the NRA about what the Founding Fathers said:<BR/><BR/>http://www.nraila.org/Issues/Fac...Read.aspx? ID=53<BR/>Bob | 05.14.05 - 3:08 pm | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> Hi All<BR/><BR/>I dunno apart from Mao's most salient point "political power comes out of the barrel of a gun" guns are for cowards.<BR/><BR/>I've had guns pulled on me twice. The first time was an acid causualty in the early seventies. He remained frozen where he was (I ate more acid than anyone) till I returned with a double bladed ax, He declined a resolution as he had no more viable otions. The second time was at an event involving motorcycles and mayhem, a Satan's Choice field day. The offended party reached into his coat and I remarked "that had better be a sandwitch because you are going to have to eat it" ... the coat was unreached.<BR/><BR/>If you depend on a cannon (I'll take a 1911A any day) you have already shown you are a coward, afraid to back your mouth with your body. <BR/><BR/>PenGun<BR/>Do What Now ??? ... Standards and Practices !<BR/>PenGun | Homepage | 05.15.05 - 11:33 pm | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> Penngun<BR/><BR/><BR/>Well if I can’t get an M1A2, I’m kind of partial to an M1911a1 myself. Of course ones with lands and grooves, the ones in our reserve unit were made in “the big war” and had fired so many rounds they were smooth bores. But the M1A2 is supposed to be a smooth bore.<BR/><BR/>Depending on a cannon is not a good way to do things, but every so often some one comes along who takes Mao’s quip on political power as gospel. <BR/><BR/>Do What Now ???<BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.16.05 - 9:11 pm | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> Bob<BR/><BR/>That was a great fact sheet. <BR/><BR/>But right to keep and bare arms exists whether or not there is a milita. And whether or not there is a militia some one wanting to establish an oppressive governemnt would attempt to deny these rights. My third link from the bottom has a quote of the offical statement of the NRA that the right to keep and bare arms is not dependent on the milita.<BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.18.05 - 11:19 pm | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/> A long Email from TM Lutas and my response The Unorganized Milita II <BR/>Hank | Homepage | 05.19.05 - 12:14 am | # <BR/><BR/>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR/> <BR/>Hank, I concede the point to you based upon your link. However, I think that the law took a word used by the Founding Fathers and restricted the meaning. In other words, I think that the Founding Fathers used "militia" to mean anyone who could use a gun.<BR/>Bob | 05.20.05 - 10:39 am | #hank_F_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851295792702162861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9146340.post-1119751254436049622005-06-25T21:00:00.000-05:002005-06-25T21:00:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.hank_F_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851295792702162861noreply@blogger.com